Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

topic posted Sun, January 13, 2008 - 10:01 PM by  Donovan
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I've been having these great am meditations: peace and
love, then getting these nasty depressive bouts that
have been quite difficult to bear...naturally I want them
to stop. I read in "The Diamond Cutter", a buddhist teaching,
that depressive episodes are a result of being
dishonest in the past. Naturally I assume there are other possible
causes too. I have been living in an ill-fitting environment...that constant
stress could also certainly contribute...

What are other Buddhist teachings on depression?
Can we reliably say that depressive episodes are a result of not *giving* somewhere?
not being true to oneself in that way? Are their any other clear correlations?

I must move, that's clear, but I wonder if there's anything else.
Also - how do we work with fear? I seem to have barely-conscious
fears of self-expression...
Donovan
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  • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

    Mon, January 14, 2008 - 8:23 PM
    Be careful to always rule out physiological causes for depression first, which may mean a trip to the medical doctor. Depression is also a symptom as well as a problem.

    I believe Buddha teaches us depression can also come from not accepting life on its own terms by expecting things to be different they they are. When I am depressed I often find I am either grasping for what i do not have or trying to repeal what I do not want. If i breath and find joy in the reality of what is the depression slowly lifts.

    I am sure dishonesty to one self and others about the past can also be part of ones depression but I do not believe there is only one causality.
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      Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

      Tue, January 22, 2008 - 12:42 PM
      even if depression is caused by karma, it's hard to be totally honest in life sometimes, depending on the circumstance, total honesty can even be cruel. Apart from that, helping is what is indicated. Helping professionals and spiritual helpers are there to plant positive seeds for a bright future.
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        Tue, January 22, 2008 - 8:45 PM
        I do not believe anyone can be "totally honest." We can only say our point of view from our limited reference point. Right speech is saying the truth, which will benefit another. Depression often comes from not accepting the possibilities within the next moment. When I work with depressed clients as a psychotherapist I try to bring creativity, compassion and right speech. With those tools clients can find the path out of depression to hope.
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          Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

          Tue, January 22, 2008 - 10:16 PM
          You are right! We can only try our very best. Putting yourself into another persons shoes is not always easy but doing our best is honesty.
          Thank you Sam for sharing your perspective. Nothing is absolute when we are till trapped on our relative states of existence.

          Perhaps, trying to find a healthy "balance" between extremes is one key to solve problems. Right speech, underlined by our present state of benevolent wisdom and compassion can help to bring forth the best outcome of the situation. Understanding alone can go long ways, even if we don't have all the tools you do have as a professional.
          • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

            Wed, January 23, 2008 - 9:31 PM
            I can not say I understand depression even though I have experienced it and worked with many others you have struggled with it as well. Depression seems to be much like the swirling action of a flushing toilet, which can pull us into the depths of despair. Yet, if we can become aware of the pull we can escape the centrifuge and become freed, for at least a moment, from the power of depression.
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    Wed, January 23, 2008 - 10:58 AM
    Trungpa Rinpoche had some interesting things to say about depression.

    This may be of interest, though it isn't written by him it refers to his teachings.

    docs.google.com/View.aspx
    • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

      Mon, January 28, 2008 - 8:44 PM
      Barry I was unable to see the document on the link.
      • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

        Mon, January 28, 2008 - 9:48 PM
        Yep, neither could I (view the document on the link). It appears to require some sort of permission. Barry, might you have the text available elsewhere?

        Many thanks.
        • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

          Wed, January 30, 2008 - 11:53 AM
          Pursue disolving the attachments of desired outcomes....then we loosen the bonds of the 3 forms of suffering.

          "Depression" is a generic and general term which can have many causes. One persons depression is not always everyone's depression in definition. This is why many sensitive therapists will ask...."You call it depression, but what are you experiencing and feeling specifically."
          As far as it being "karma", yea sure everything you do and experience is Karma! Karma in this sense is "motion". Every E-Motion you experience can be said to be karmic in nature.

          Seeing this is a Buddhist site I would stay with the original first turning of the wheel......The Four Noble truths answer this question better than any conjecture on my part. That is to say that if a state of mind is causing suffering? Some states of mind are organic and should just be accepted and observed for what they are. A part of living in Samsara :)

          peace to all sentient beings,
          fox
  • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

    Sat, February 2, 2008 - 4:38 AM
    Donovan, depression can be a very complex problem. It's hard to know if it's actually the problem itself or simply the symptom of deeper issues overwhelming you. Personally, I recommend against physiological treatment, unless as a last resort to keep you safe, but only for a short time. Said treatments can mask the underlying cause and prolong your suffering, considerably. It's possible to avoid the depression, like so much of the suffering in our lives, and never truly deal with the cause on your way to healing that aspect of yourself. It takes the Warrior's courage, to be sure, and I applaud you for recognizing and "calling it out."

    Trungpa Rinpoche talked about the fact that sitting meditation brings into brilliant focus so many of the things we normally avoid, specifically our neuroses. He said, “In the practice of sitting meditation you relate to your daily life all the time. Meditation practice brings our neuroses to the surface rather than hiding them at the bottom of our minds. It enables us to relate to our lives as something workable.”

    For me, this was why I started down the Shambala path. I needed a way to calm my heart and deal with my bouts of depression and sadness. I learned that the warrior's courage, in living through fear, not only gives you the freedom to deal with the others in your life causing you pain, it also gives you freedom to fight the demons within that can cause the most fear. Those monsters we make of ourselves instead of simply recognizing and gently dealing with the thing that frightened us, in the first place.

    Remember, meditation is not a form of escape from life. It is a chance to go within and embrace our lives in a raw and intimate way that we, as brothers and sisters on the path to Shambala, can learn to find joy in. Embrace yourself, embrace the world.

    Love and light, dear ones.
    Rev
  • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

    Thu, February 7, 2008 - 9:31 PM
    What if depression is merely a part of the landscape of life. There are hills and valleys. I have experienced deep depression and what drew me out was the realization of the potentiality of the next moment. If one can embrace and ride with the ebbs and flows of life one can find peace (for at least a moment here and there). Life is not meant to be without pain and suffering. The spiritual path is to identify suffering and by being compassion remove the need for suffering.
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    Fri, February 8, 2008 - 11:22 AM
    i love this tribe! and i am so happy i found it and to hear all your dear sound advice! obviously i am not depressed at the moment. but something said here made me realize that if i did not have this chemistry i would not be so motivated to practice and find that equanimity that lovely peace that comes as a result.

    thank you all dear people for your kindness!
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      Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

      Sat, February 9, 2008 - 4:23 PM
      I just read Eckhart Tolle's Book : "A new Earth."

      Perhaps almost anybody who ever experienced depression may get a lot out of his perspectives... Many of us may think we are too advanced for this kind of thinking and experiencing life and yet... Tolle always manages to dance a new twist into space, which inevitable will make us laugh about ourselves.

      I sure have been depressed, taking my concepts, thoughts and story about what happened way too serious. Nothing is ever as is appears.
      Sure enough we managed to alienate ourselves from source and each other and the more we feel apart the more serious things can look and affect our body mind system.

      What we need is a good laugh sometimes!

      Smiles :-)))
      • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

        Sat, February 9, 2008 - 4:38 PM
        "What we need is a good laugh sometimes!"

        www.youtube.com/watch
        • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

          Sat, February 9, 2008 - 7:36 PM
          We're all furry, happy monsters, aren't we?

          www.youtube.com/watch

          Love and light, dear ones.
          Rev
          • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

            Sun, February 10, 2008 - 3:14 PM
            ooh, thank you! good one!
            • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

              Fri, February 22, 2008 - 3:20 PM

              Great advice, some, and thanks for the kindness! Happy to say I am not feeling depressed today! I do notice when I look, that I tend to dislike what is, and want other things. And that habit has gotten me down more than once I think. Sam, I especially liked the toilet metaphor! Yep, sometimes I just want to quit flushing myself down there..

              Presently I'm thinking this: the 'depressed' state is one we all want to avoid. I can do that (at least in large part) by avoiding its causes: too harsh environments, toxic food, not enough rest., making too little time for play...etc....so I don't get in that collapsed, low energy state.
              But right now I'm aware of something more: grief in me. Great sadness I feel at times, deep in myself. I think I need to go through it. It gets covered up for long periods... But I think I need to feel it...and perhaps that will put me finally in the sunshine. I like to think that we can go beyond just 'getting better', or avoiding depression, to actually cultivating a stable joy, so from there our aim is something even better...maybe bliss even...

              I'm not stable in either of those yet...but I like to think they're coming...so long as I keep paying attention, keep being willing to get up again and try something new.

              I had a teacher once who said, 'I sometimes wonder...if we go completely into a black hole...if we would come out a radiant sun...?" She had a smile one her face...and I always wondered what she meant. Maybe if we keep going deeper we'll find out...

              joy
              Donovan
              • Re: Buddhist views on Depression? on fear?

                Fri, December 26, 2008 - 2:15 PM
                Hi you,

                time passed but I did find this topic only now. And did read it with great interest as I am deeling with a huge sadness, very low energy, depressive state for some weeks/months now.
                And what I'd love to now: did meditatiion, focussing etc help? Am I trying this for months now - but sometimes I feel I cannot concentrate, i cannot let it go, I cannot center, as I am too afraid what is happening then. well: I do know by experience that whenever I really meditate, I get out of this trerrible state where my feelings press me. and fall into a state where I just can look at my sadness, embrace me, love me, my sadness - and things change so rapidly.
                But sometimes I do not make it.
                I'd love to here of you what changed in the last months.

                Hugs & love

                Judith

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